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Flight school planes' mid-air failures over Adelaide

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BRAD CROUCH

June 27, 2009 = 11:30pm

A FLEET of planes used for training pilots over Adelaide's = northern=20 suburbs has been grounded after an alarming series of electrical=20 failures.

The seven Diamond DA42 Twin Stars are having new engines installed = after they=20 repeatedly suffered "uncommanded power losses" while flying above = Adelaide over=20 the past two years.

The four-seater, twin-engine aircraft - owned by Flight Training = Adelaide and=20 based at Parafield Airport - are used to train pilots for major = airlines.

The school has students from Qantas, Cathay Pacific, China Airlines,=20 Dragonair, JAL Express, Emirates and the Hong Kong Government Flying = Service.=20

The incidents have prompted calls for the airport to be moved to a = rural area=20 for safety reasons.

The planes, which are only two years old, were involved in sudden = power=20 losses on 13 occasions but FTA officials say the incidents were only of = a short=20 duration and were not a safety threat.

In each case the plane was immediately flown back to the airport and = landed=20 without incident, with the event reported to the Civil Aviation Safety=20 Authority.

FTA grounded the planes on January 6 and is now in the process of = replacing=20 engines.

The planes' Austrian manufacturer, Diamond Aircraft, has gone into=20 receivership.

FTA chief executive Pine Pienaar said there had been similar reports = of power=20 losses by the planes around the world in the past few years.

"However, as far as I know we are the only company to take the = decision to=20 ground them in the interests of safety," he said.

"It is really just a surge where the engine has some rough running. =

"We found there were some reliability issues that could pose a safety = hazard=20 so we decided to ground the entire fleet and re-engineer them as a = preventive=20 measure.

"It is a state-of-the-art engine that hasn't proven itself. Because = it is=20 such new technology we were at the mercy of the manufacturer but = obtaining=20 information from them has been a struggle because they are now in = receivership."=20

Mr Pienaar said FTA had sufficient planes to cover the temporary loss = of the=20 DA42s without it affecting business.

"We had to put safety ahead of business, and fortunately it is = business as=20 normal and our customers are very happy we put safety first," he said. =

The company hopes to have the planes back in the air by the end of = the year.=20

There are 12 DA42s registered in Australia, according to CASA records = - seven=20 with FTA, one in the ACT, three in Western Australia and one to SA = company=20 Diamond Aircraft Charter, which could not be reached for comment.

Salisbury mayor Gillian Aldridge was unaware of the incidents above = her=20 council area until informed by the Sunday Mail.

"I'm horrified - to think that planes flying over houses are losing = power=20 unexpectedly, and these are planes being flown by inexperienced learner = pilots,"=20 she said.

"This is a real safety concern - it could have been a real disaster = if a=20 plane had fallen out of the sky."

Ms Aldridge said the incidents were a reason the airport should be = moved from=20 Parafield. The airport is now the subject of a draft master plan open = for public=20 comment which envisages a wide range of commercial and industrial = developments=20 on the land.

"I would prefer that the airport be moved and the land be used for = housing,=20 wetlands and open space," Ms Aldridge said.

"There is a serious safety issue as shown by the grounding of this = fleet of=20 planes.

"The council also has no input to what developments occur on airport = land,=20 and I am very concerned we are going to have major industrial-commercial = developments springing up on it."

In April another FTA plane, a German-built Grob G115B, was involved = in a=20 botched landing by a solo student pilot at the airport.

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Jason, You are very ignorant!!!! What has this debate got to do = with you=20 and pilots from NSW and other parts of the country anyway. I know that = pilots=20 band together and write pro airport letters such as yours. Lots of = people do=20 complain about the noise from the main Airport. If the Adelaide = Airport noise=20 is bothering you then why don't you move. If you are as close as you = state=20 then you probably had your house insulated for free. That is not on = offer at=20 Parafield. They make sure of that due to their shonky noise = measurement maps -=20 done by consultants and the flawed noise measuring fiasco in 2006/07. = Anyway,=20 you are getting off track. The main Airport is there for transporting=20 passengers to and fro and has certain concessions re noise exemptions. = Parafield Airport is primarily a training airport (about 95%) and = these same=20 noise and pollution exemptions should not apply. Most of the pilot = trainees=20 are foreign so why should they be allowed to train here and ruin our = quality=20 of life. Plenty of places to fly in remote areas. Most people around = parafield=20 did not have a problem with local usage and training for local needs. = The=20 problem started around 1990 when large scale international pilot = training=20 commenced at Parafield, thanks to Hawker de Haviland. The name of the = company=20 seems to have changed over the years but behind it all is a large = aviation=20 consortium (probably still BAe and Airbus) who need to sell more = planes to the=20 Asian and Middle eastern market. They can't sell more planes if they = don't=20 have pilots. Australian laws are pathetic in relation to aircraft = noise and=20 associated pollution. It is morally wrong to keep expanding the = international=20 pilot training at Parafield. The jobs would still exist if the = training school=20 moved. I think any expansion plans at Parafield Airport should be put = on hold=20 and the international training should be moved. They are only here = because of=20 the attractions close to Adelaide. Shame thousands of locals have to = suffer=20 because of a few hundred priveledged kids who want to learn to become = a pilot.=20 Does China really need all these pilots? What about the effect on the = planet=20 from all these discount airlines. Tiger Airlines recently offered free = flights=20 (just pay tax). Not much use travelling to other parts of the world if = the=20 climate is mucked up. Think about the impact of rampant aviation = growth even=20 if you cannot imagine the effects from noise and other health effects = from=20 parafield . I think you are selfish, arrogant and ignorant. People = live near=20 Parafield Arport for a variety of reasons. Some have lived here since = the=20 sixties (thougha lot have moved,are dead or deaf now) -there is a high = proportion of housing commission residents. A noisy home is better = than life=20 on the streets.- these people don't have much of a choice and there = are a lot=20 of rented properties from people who just could not stand the noise = any more=20 and moved to the country. Lucky bustards. Also an increasing number of = Vietnamese, refugees from Africa and Afghanistan. Won't get many = complaints=20 from these as they don't speak much English. Don't think they would = have the=20 internet either. Adeladie Airport was moved from Parafield in the = fifties. My=20 family moved here in the sixties and the noise from the airport was = minimal.=20 Some days now you feel you are living in a war zone.

Posted = by:=20 Doc Hu of Salisbury 11:48am July 04, 2009 =

My point is DOC HU why is it a problem just for people near = parafield? what=20 about all the people who have lived under the flight paths of = commercial jets=20 landing at adelaide airport for years, why havent they had a winge = about=20 noise? The only people who have are the snobs in medindie everyone = else has=20 learnt to put up with it. If you dont know what im talking about go = park your=20 car in IGA carpark George street Thebarton and tell me what is louder, = a=20 single engine training plane doing laps of Parafield or a fully loaded = 737=20 landing at YPAD? and i can also tell you the houses affected in the = west have=20 been around long before the ones in the northern areas. Like i said = before you=20 made a choice to live there did you not research the suburbs before = purchasing=20 your property?

Posted by: Jason of Adelaide of 5 mins = from=20 RWY23 YPAD 3:27pm July 03, 2009

Jason of Adelaide The noise from the large jets is louder but the = noise=20 from the prop planes at Parafield is more annoying and we have had = days where=20 you get one every 20 -30 seconds. Try living with that for hours on = end and=20 sometimes all day. Many round here simply have no choice in where they = live.=20 Old people who have lived in Salisbury, Salisbury Downs, Parafield = gardens,=20 and also salisbury east and Para Hills for longer than the = international pilot=20 school. Noise used to be worse over the East but now it seems worse on = the=20 other side - these unfortunate people get it day and night because = there is=20 only one lit runway. Noise to the North, NW or South depending on the = current=20 wind direction. They have more right to live here than some foreign = pilot=20 group.

Posted by: Doc Hu of Salisbury 2:27pm = July=20 03, 2009

The Diamond Twin Star aircraft are readily recognised because of = the longer=20 wingspan and upward fin on the wingtip. After looking at many = thousands of=20 planes you do get to spot the difference especially as they fly very = low.=20 People who don't live here have no idea. I am not racist but my way of = life=20 has been severly affected by noisy flights from Parafield. Noise from = 7am to=20 11pm. many fine people have had to move from here or go mad. I have = developed=20 health effects from the noise - do you think anyone cares? No one = measures it.=20 Cancer rates seem to be increasing though. Could it be the TEL-B in = the AVGAS?=20 To all the people who think this is morally wrong then object to the = increases=20 and developments proposed in the 2009 Parafield master Plan. It is a = human=20 rights abuse because Airport management know the harm it is doing and = refuse=20 to listen. Govt also has not listened to our complaints. China has a = poor=20 record on human rights issues. They come here to train because of the = lack of=20 noise and pollution regulations. Aircraft noise limits exceed EPA = guidelines=20 but they are given an examption. This pollution is also going to have = an=20 impact on greenhouse emissions. Also not measured. Another exemption = once in=20 flight. We need better protection for people who are unfortunate = enough to=20 have live near an airport. This Chinese and Middle eastern training = should=20 move - not the thousands who live around it. many have lived there for = more=20 than twenty years. Too sick and old to move.

Posted by:=20 Diamond (Twin)Stars no longer twinkling of Parafield = 11:42am=20 July 03, 2009

Dear Pilot of NSW and all others who do not live in the Northern = state of=20 AF-RANNISTAN. Thanks for your comments. My point is that yes - pilots = do need=20 to be trained but this is really not the appropriate area to conduct = large=20 scale pilot training. Have you noticed the little boxes (we like to = call our=20 home) as you fly over them often round and round for up to sixteen = hours per=20 day. Noise of over 85 decibels with an annoying drone. They fly at an = average=20 of 1000ft but have to climb to that level first. That is only 300 = metres -=20 sometimes they do low level flying at around 150 metres. No wonder = people can=20 tell what sort of aircraft it is - I have had planes clip nearby = trees. Did=20 all of you ill informed people who do not live here (yet want to = profit from=20 our airport) that a noise annoyance study was done in late 1994. The = result=20 (remember 15 years ago) was that 5150 householls containing 15,000 = people=20 experience noise disturbance. Do you expect all of us to move. Years = later the=20 area has grown so many more residents are inpacted by noise. Heaps = more noise=20 complaints - all ignored by airport management. Their plans are to = increase=20 the pilot numbers and helicopter numbers. The forecasts in the 2004 = master=20 plan have been vastly exceeded for both planes and helicopters. Re = traffic -=20 have a look at the master plan on aal.com.au and view the proposed=20 developments. How much traffic do you think will come from the = discount outlet=20 centre, warehousing complex, new shops and businesses, fast food = outlets,=20 medical centres etc. Probably more than housing. Also its not only the = Diamond=20 Twin Star aircraft having problems. GROBS also seem to be experiencing = problems. It is not alright to impact on the lives of others by = imposing=20 excessive amounts of noise on them. We are a product of our = environment and=20 when Parafield is flying for hours on end up to 11pm no wonder the = people here=20 are affected. Just because you and your fly boy friends can make a = buck here=20 does not mean thousands below should have to suffer. The economic = benefits are=20 so overstated it is just ridiculous. The businesses around the airport = (on=20 airport land) make heaps more and employ more people than Pissfield=20 Airport.

Posted by: Also probs with GROBS of City of=20 Salisbury 11:28am July 03, 2009

You people in the North are a joke. What you cant handle the noise = from a=20 small plane come on tough'n up. Ive lived in the Western suburbs for = years and=20 every morning at 6am the big birds take off from Adelaide airport = untill 11pm,=20 and i can tell you even from 5km's away its louder then any single = prop plane=20 flying overhead. You moved to Mawson Lakes you learn how to live with = noise or=20 so you call it noise. I have to add Ive also worked in Mawson Lakes = building=20 new homes and witnessed these training flights myself and they are not = noisey=20 one bit infact theres more noise coming from salisbury highway and = vehicle=20 movement in mawson lakes from machinery etc then there is from above. = YOU MADE=20 THE CHOICE TO LIVE NEAR THE AIRPORT STIFF ****

Posted by:=20 Jason of Adelaide of 5 mins from RWY23 YPAD 5:32pm = July 02,=20 2009

Twinkling diamonds you display an ignorance and arrogance that I = found=20 lacking in most Adelaide residents in my time there. The fact of the = matter is=20 this-FTA employs South Australians and because the students are = residential=20 its not just pilots. Its maintenance guys, heaps of admin staff, = chefs,=20 kitchen hands, maintenance guys, cleaners, theory instructors and = more. They=20 do a service to South Australia (and especially the Northern Suburbs) = for=20 which you should realy be thankful. It'd be much easier for a company = like=20 that to move and establish themselves in a major capital city on the = East=20 Coast but they have remained loyal to South Australia-the place they = started=20 as the Australian Flying Training School in the 1980s. I'll say it = again. If=20 you choose to live near and airport-that's your problem. Do NOT make = everyone=20 suffer because of it. You're uninformed and disgraceful attempts to = close down=20 an important facility like Parafield Airport do not help your = community. Think=20 about it this way. If the airport closes you will have thousands of = homes on=20 that site. I was there as recently as 6 months ago and the Main North = Road and=20 the Salisbury Highway were always clogged. Do you really want more = cars=20 without the infrastructure? And its not like your government would = build the=20 infrastructure-you guys are in the financial toilet as much as NSW! As = for=20 flying erratically because of an engine malfunction-look at it my way. = The=20 aeroplane had a problem and because of the SKILL of those aboard it = got back=20 to the airport safely. Nobody is ever allowed to fly solo until they = have=20 demonstrated and practised emergency procedures to a standard you = wouldn't=20 believe. Don't think because the students are foreign they are trained = to a=20 lesser standard. They have to be as competent as any native English = speaker=20 because we ALL have to abide by the rules of the Civil Aviation Safety = Authority. Nobody is up their inexperienced. And all beginners have a = fully=20 qualified flight instructor beside them-one who is actually checked by = the=20 government's authority-CASA before being allowed to instruct! We're = not=20 irresponsible and we are NOT putting you in danger. Finally to noise. = Mr Bogan=20 in his HSV R8 makes more noise than our planes flying over your house. = And=20 really you have NOTHING to complain about-move next to Adelaide = Airport with=20 the noisier jets and then we might give you 30 seconds of respect for = your=20 noise complaint. You may not understand this but General Aviation is = the=20 lifeblood of this country. We train the pilots who work for the = Airlines. AND=20 we're the charter industry, the scenic flight industry, the corporate = hire=20 industry, the Air Ambulance, the Royal Flying Doctors, Australia Post, = Mining=20 shuttles, official shuttles-especially in the NT and WA, sky diving = providers=20 and shark patrol. We're police, fire, ambulance and a myriad of other = things=20 that you rely on in life. So please back away. Stop your uninformed = diarrhoea=20 and leave us to do what we do best. I will finally add this. This = "Asian=20 Invasion" you speak of is a disgusting display of inherent racism. = They are=20 people as much as you are. Choosing to not like them because they're = asian is=20 as ridiculous as choosing to not like me because I'm a pilot. Not = everyone is=20 going to be the same as you, there are more than 6 billion people on = this=20 earth and ALL of them are different.

Posted by: Pilot = of NSW=20 of Sydney 1:44pm July 02, 2009

James of Adelaide. Really - you are displaying your ignorance. The=20 Airservices movements stats do not include the movements after tower = hours ie=20 after 6pm. Recently this was estimated as 60,000 per year by Phil = Baker. The=20 2008 aircraft movement number was 290,000. Movements have increased by = 63%=20 since 2002. All details are in the master plan. Ultimate capacity is = 450,000=20 so they say. Does not mean they will reach this but they are having a = good=20 try. Helicopter movements are planned to increase. The plan allows for = 10% of=20 movements to be helicopters - at current levels that wouldl be 29,000 = per=20 year. It is nowhere near that yet but is already causing noise = problems and=20 complaints and they just got another two helicopters. One in 2007 now = its four=20 and the rot is spreading like cancer. So you think it is OK to pollute = the=20 Northern suburbs. Young top guns buzz us whenever the weather is fine. = We=20 sometimes have noise from 8am to late at night. Thank God for rainy, = windy=20 weather. My family has lived here for years - certaininly well before = the=20 Asian invasion foreign pilot training started. Read the 2009 Draft = master plan=20 for Parafield on aal.com.au. Copy at the Airport or Salisbury Council = office=20 also.

Posted by: Twinkling Diamonds of = Parafield=20 11:32am July 02, 2009

Twinkling Diamonds: May I ask when you moved into your residence = near=20 Parafield Airport? Did you know there was an airport there before you = moved=20 in? The constant bashing of airports by these so called "experts" that = live=20 near them is astonoshing! 300 000 movements you say? I draw your = attention to=20 this link which provides movements at Australian airports for 2008.=20 = http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/projectsservices/reports/movements/ca= lytd2008.pdf=20 Increase movments to 450 000 including thousands of helicopters? Would = you=20 please provide proof of your comment or are YOU the one brainwashing = others=20 with propoganda. Near miss: You say a plane deviated from its course = and=20 tracked direct to Parafield "spluttering and flying erratically". Are = you sure=20 it was the aircraft type in question? I'm sure that because you live = near the=20 airport it makes you an instant expert too! The reason these companys = send=20 their cadets to be trained in Australia is we provide top quality SAFE = training. Instead of whinging in your loungeroom about how noise and = unsafe it=20 is, head on down to the airport and TALK to the flying schools. Get a = first=20 hand look at how they train their pilots. How many drivers have died = in your=20 area due to the wrecklessness of others. Does this mean we should take = ALL=20 cars off the road? How many houses have been broken into or robbed in = the=20 Northern suburbs? Now compare this with the number of aircraft = accidents and=20 incidents at Parafield.. put up with the noise or move - simple = really! Asian=20 junkets?? You really are scraping the barrel!

Posted by:=20 James of Adelaide 2:23pm July 01, 2009 =

Planes from Parafield Airport circuit over my roof ad nauseum. A = plane had=20 aproblem right above my backyard lat lasy year. It deviated from the = circuit=20 and cut diagonally back to Parafield A'port. Now I know why!! It was=20 spluttering and flying erratically. The Airport and FTA in particular = think=20 they are doing a fantastic job - lining their pockets at residents = expense.=20 That's right ,our quality of life has been sold out to a Hong Kong = mob.=20 Singapore Airlines claim they reduced their noise problem a few years = ago.=20 How? By sending them to Jandakot Airport in WA ( Perth). Good solution = China,=20 send your trainees to OZ like the convicts. Especially to Northern = Adelaide=20 because they lack noise laws and pollotion laws. They don't measure = the noise=20 and the pollution it causes. Managers even get lots of Asian junkets = paid for=20 by taxpayers.

Posted by: Near miss overhead of = Salisbury=20 Downs 11:35am July 01, 2009

I really can'y believe the arrogance of comments disregarding the = safety of=20 Northern residents. I live in an area wher the Parafield planes fly = but not=20 right near the Airport. The noise is horrendous and will get worse. = Currently=20 we have about 300,000 movements from this horrid Airport. It has made = me sick=20 and many of the people here have moved - anyone with half a brain = moves and=20 that leave the rest who are brainwashed to believe the importance of = the=20 airport by propaganda. Most of these comment are by pilots or those = who are=20 among the few employed by the Airport (certainly not 904) as quoted in = the=20 Master Plan. They want to increase movements to 450,000 including = thousands of=20 helicopters. Disgusting.

Posted by: Twinkling = Diamonds of=20 parafield 11:51am June 30, 2009

That wasnt the only thing to go wrong on the 27th June 2009 for = Cathay=20 Pacific. I happened to be walking in North Adelaide at around 8pm and = noticed=20 a Cathay Pacific A330-300 coming into land. The following day i looked = on the=20 AAL website and searched all Cathay flights that landed in that day. = Sure=20 enough that flight i saw wasnt the usual CX104,105. The info came back = as=20 CX163 Landed at 8.03pm and Departed Gate 18 at 8.45pm as Flight CX163. = I also=20 searched on the Cathay website and it was a flight from Hong Kong to = Melbourne=20 which had been rerouted. The flight eventually landed in Melbourne 111 = minutes=20 late after a short stop in Adelaide. Does anyone know the reason for = this=20 diversion?

Posted by: Jason Mackenzie of west of=20 adelaide 5:17pm June 29, 2009

Interestingly, looks like the future of Parafield airport has = already been=20 decided. If you go along Elder Smith Drive, there are several areas = where=20 intersections for roads heading INTO the airport precinct have already = been=20 built.... I live directly under the flight path - and have no problem = with=20 it.

Posted by: Andrew of Brahma Lodge = 11:45am June=20 29, 2009

Steven - I see you are from Mawson Lakes. Did you or did you not = know there=20 was an airport there when you moved in?? I rest my case. Don't like = the noise,=20 move! If the aircraft in question has been grounded due to problems, = isn't=20 that better than keeping it flying and possibly causing an accident? = Aircraft=20 by law are kept and maintained to the highest standard but = occasionally=20 problems still exist. Does this mean we should ground EVERY aircraft = just in=20 case a problem occurs and it "falls out the sky"?. Come off it! I have = worked=20 at Parafield for over 10 years and have seen an amazing amount of = urban=20 encroachment around the aerodrome. The greedy council has sold off as = much=20 land as they can just to make a few $$ and now want the airport closed = - get=20 real. You can tell Gillian is obviously an aviation = expert...

Posted=20 by: James of Adelaide 10:31am June 29, 2009=20

I can tell you from experience, this is a RARE occurrence. I will = also=20 point out that the people flying these machines are not inexperienced. = They=20 are all highly trained-minimum 200hours for the students and well over = 500=20 hours with the least experienced instructor. Typical media beat=20 up.

Posted by: Pilot of NSW 9:41pm June 28,=20 2009

This is old news. The aircraft have been grounded for months due to = the=20 correct decision by the operators for safety and operational reasons. = This was=20 a responsible and sensible decision. There was at no time any issues = that=20 breached any safety measures or threat to any one at all. Now more = than 6=20 months down the track, someone wants to turn it into a sensation. Get = a life=20 and think next time you fly somewhere, the pilot may very well have = completed=20 all their basic training at the flying schools or college at Para = Field How=20 about that? Para Field since it's conception has always been a = training=20 airfield, and as usual, some people choose to live close by and start = crying=20 and whinging about the aerodrome that has been there long before they = ever=20 dreamed of living there. Selfish to the extreme. You mob of = wi

Posted=20 by: Chris Wise of Christies Beach 8:22pm June 28, = 2009=20

"Come on Parafield knockers, where are you all? Oh thats right - = too busy=20 standing in your garden counting planes...." You dont need to be = outside, they=20 shake the walls on the inside every 30 seconds until 11pm every week = night=20 (currently is not so bad, must be the weather and the faulty=20 planes!)

Posted by: Steven of Mawson Lakes = 8:07pm=20 June 28, 2009

I've lived in this area for many years and I can tell you the = congestion up=20 there is worse now then ever before and the bloody noise is horrendous = because=20 there are more movements than ever before. But until a plane spirals = into a=20 house or school or shopping centre nothing will be done. Salisbury = Council is=20 doing a good job and thank you to them but it's time the federal and = state=20 governments addressed this. More planes, more noise, more chance of a=20 prang.

Posted by: Peter of Northern Adelaide = 7:07pm=20 June 28, 2009

This wil never end, will it? Council complaining about lack of = control,=20 people complaining about safety and noise. The airport is there to = stay, the=20 schools will continue to bring business to SA by training future = pilots, get=20 used to it.

Posted by: Jack of Adelaide = 7:04pm June=20 28, 2009

What a great article! (yes that was sarcasm) It's the engine = manufacturer=20 (Thielert), not the aircraft's manufacturer that has gone into = receivership.=20 There are more cases of cars driving through people's bedrooms than = planes=20 falling out the sky into houses. It's disappointing to see the Mayor = of=20 Salisbury bowing to popular opinion to claim these aircraft will fall = out of=20 the sky onto houses. The fact that they're aware of the problem and = have put=20 in place steps to ensure it doesn't happen again is surely a positive = sign.=20 Apparently this is lost on the Mayor, and general public. Anybody care = to=20 guess the number of fatalities caused by cars around the Parafield = area vs=20 those caused by aircraft? Surely that's basis to move all the cars to = the=20 country, or ban them all together?!?! For that matter, can anyone = remember the=20 last fatal plane crash at Parafield?!?!?! Moving the airport won't = solve=20 anything, it'll just make pilot's less experienced with dealing with = congested=20 airspace over residential areas. Oh well it's good the media have = something to=20 sensationalise, and the unjustified arguments to move the airport can=20 continue.

Posted by: Unbelievable of 6:31pm = June 28,=20 2009

Darren, I don't think the issue here is about NOISE. It seems to be = about=20 safety and what could potentially happen if one of these aircraft = malfunctions=20 to the point where it falls from the sky onto houses in a heavily = populated=20 area. People could get killed. What does this have to do with noise = and the=20 speed limit?

Posted by: KN of 2:45pm June = 28,=20 2009

I was fortunate enough to have a tour of this facility. It is a = world class=20 establishment and it brings money and interest into SA. The state = government=20 and local council should be supporting this as much as possible. The = person=20 who took me on the tour said =C2=BFwhile mike ran twiddles his thumbs = about=20 building a second facility in SA, Anna Bligh is coaxing them to = building Qld=20 and offering cash incentives. =C2=BFSA supposedly wants to encourage = business here=20 yet we are so hostile toward things like this airport. Its unlikely a = plane=20 will fall out of the sky and land on someone. It really is extremely = negative=20 for the mayor and anyone else to think its a dangerous practice when = it been=20 there for several years now. In fact they are doing a fantastic job = out there=20 and we should all be supporting them to stay and expand as its a great = opportunity for our state. The Tiser should send a journo out there to = have a=20 good look at how well the pilots are trained before they get in the = air and=20 cover this story in detail.

Posted by: Sue of = SA=20 11:26am June 28, 2009

I like the way they say 'over Adelaide'. As a pilot with some 25 = years=20 experience I can tell you that 'over Adelaide' is poor reporting. Most = of the=20 incidents probably occurred out bush or the training area as that's = where most=20 of the flying will occur. The 'over Adelaide' flying would be for = controlled=20 airspace training, nearly all done in the Single engine aircraft such = as the=20 Tobagos. Folks, you have more danger from hoon drivers on the ground = than=20 aeroplanes overhead.

Posted by: Kev the propellor = head of=20 Adelaide 9:44am June 28, 2009

darren of Adelaide has said it all. Salisbury mayor Gillian = Aldridge should=20 realise that wherever she would like to locate the airfield it won't = mean that=20 aircraft don't fly over city areas.

Posted by: Mike = of Daw=20 Park 9:40am June 28, 2009

Come on Parafield knockers, where are you all? Oh thats right - too = busy=20 standing in your garden counting planes....

Posted by: = CJ of=20 Northern Suburbs 8:53am June 28, 2009

I agree with the airport being their first Etc etc, But as reported = the=20 aircraft is twin engined and twin aircraft are very safe in the hands = of=20 experienced pilots. I would no doubt the pilots graduating to the twin = have=20 received vast training on single engine aircraft. Simulator training = on one=20 engine out and training on one engine out procedure in flight with the = instructor. Let's not cause mass panic in the northern suburbs with = people=20 expecting aircraft to be visiting unexpectedly.

Posted by:=20 Otto Von Badstecker of down the gurgler 8:33am June = 28,=20 2009

Why Waste money Relocating the Airport IT WAS THERE FIRST!!!!!!!! = If People=20 don't like the noise don't move near it. Mawson Lakes was built AFTER = THE=20 AIRPORT. LEave Parafield where it is any other development of houses = there=20 will only put a further strain on a already over worked area. You = can't even=20 do faster then 60 kmh on main north road from elder smith drive to = kings road=20 due to traffic and that is a 80kmh zone. People that dont like = Parafield=20 Airports noise wait until the RAAF Base expansion is completed there = will be=20 more Aircraft and if Parafield isnt there they will be able to fly = over there=20 as well.

Posted by: darren of Adelaide = 1:38am June=20 28, 2009

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